Matt Deegan

The Media Club · 6 December 2024 · 60 min

Gregg Wallace... and matters outstanding

With Maggie Brown, Roger Bolton, Fenton Bailey

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In this episode of The Media Club, host Matt Deegan is joined by media writers Maggie Brown and Roger Bolton, plus World of Wonder co-founder Fenton Bailey. The panel discusses the Gregg Wallace scandal and its implications for the BBC and the wider TV industry, the state of public service broadcasting, and the rise of international production revenues. Fenton Bailey shares insights on the future of television, the success of RuPaul's Drag Race, and the challenges facing the industry. The episode also includes a media quiz covering recent newsroom stories.

Key takeaways

  • The panel discussed the Gregg Wallace scandal, with Roger Bolton arguing the BBC is partly responsible but the problem is industry-wide.
  • Maggie Brown and Roger Bolton debated the future of public service broadcasting, with Brown more optimistic under the new government.
  • Fenton Bailey discussed the future of television, arguing that linear, streaming, and cable can coexist.
  • The media quiz covered The Guardian/Observer strike, Dale Vince's interest in The Observer, and Dylan Jones stepping down from The Standard.
  • Fenton Bailey revealed interest in making a documentary about the John Smyth abuse scandal.

In this episode

  • Intro and Club Roles0:00 · Host Matt Deegan introduces guests and they nominate people to induct into the club.
  • Gregg Wallace and BBC Talent Issues5:00 · Panel discusses the Gregg Wallace scandal and broader BBC talent management problems.
  • International Production Revenues15:00 · Maggie Brown discusses the rise in international production revenues and the state of the UK industry.
  • Public Service Broadcasting Debate20:00 · Roger Bolton and Maggie Brown debate the future of public service broadcasting.
  • Fenton Bailey Interview30:00 · Fenton Bailey discusses the future of television, RuPaul's Drag Race, and World of Wonder.
  • Media Quiz45:00 · The panel plays a quiz themed around Press Gang with stories from the week.
  • Outro55:00 · Wrap-up and thanks.

Notable quotes

“money has just begun its ascent to the political throne and we may not be able to stop it.”

Danny Finkelstein · 0:00

“I think if people sign, people shouldn't sign non-disclosure agreements. If they do, they should probably stick to them.”

Roger Bolton · 0:00

“He just needs to shut up for three or four years, develop an interest in something else, and there might be a way back.”

Roger Bolton · 0:00

“I think he's had a really good run. I don't think he's going to be... he hasn't done anything which would appear to lead to any kind of judicial kind of follow-ups.”

Maggie Brown · 0:00

“I believe everyone today really is a creator, is a producer, is a director, is an actor.”

Fenton Bailey · 0:00

“I think the days of being a head in the clouds director or creator with no mind to the audience or how you're going to monetize what you do. I think those days are over.”

Fenton Bailey · 0:00

Discussed

Gregg Wallace · BBC · Channel 4 · World of Wonder

Also mentioned: Danny Finkelstein · Shannon Kyle · Kirsty Wark · Tim Westwood · Russell Brand · Fraser Nelson · Dylan Jones · Dale Vince · John Smyth · Adam Buxton · Joe Cornish · Randy Barbato · Michael Atwell · Caroline Thompson · Jeremy Isaacs · Michael Grade · Mark Thompson · Ronan Farrow · Harvey Weinstein · Mary Whitehouse · Victoria Derbyshire · Damien Lewis · Elon Musk · Nigel Farage

Mentioned or recommended

  • RuPaul's Drag Race · tv show · World of Wonder
  • Hitler, Stalin, Mum and Dad · book · Danny Finkelstein
  • Catch and Kill · book · Ronan Farrow
  • The Eyes of Tammy Faye · film · World of Wonder
  • Bleeding for Jesus · book · Andrew Graystone
  • Rivals · tv show · Disney+
  • Up in Smoke · podcast · Penny4
  • RuPaul's DragCon London · event · World of Wonder
  • Press Gang · tv show · Julia Sawalha