Matt Deegan

The Media Club · 5 June 2026 · 46 min

Happy now? Google adds an AI Opt-Out

With Alex Hudson, Simon Willgoss

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In this episode of The Media Club, host Matt Deegan is joined by journalist Alex Hudson and Nutopia's chief creative officer Simon Willgoss to discuss the CMA's new opt-out allowing publishers to block their content from Google's AI Overviews without leaving search results. The panel debates whether this is a meaningful breakthrough or too little, too late, given the shift to agentic AI and declining publisher traffic. They also cover the Panorama investigation into Married at First Sight UK and Netflix's response, Jon Petrie's departure from the BBC to Hat Trick Productions, and the launch of Nutopia's World War II with Tom Hanks, a 20-episode documentary series narrated by Tom Hanks. The episode includes the Audio Network Media Quiz and a sponsor read from Podcast Discovery.

Key takeaways

  • The CMA has given publishers a world-first opt-out from Google's AI Overviews, allowing them to block AI summaries without leaving search results.
  • Alex Hudson argues the opt-out is too late, as AI has already shifted to agentic models and publisher traffic has been declining for years.
  • Simon Willgoss discusses the launch of World War II with Tom Hanks, a 20-episode documentary series on Sky History, which has been well-received and is performing strongly.
  • Jon Petrie is leaving the BBC to join Hat Trick Productions as creative director, raising concerns about BBC talent retention amid budget cuts.
  • Netflix's UK scripted boss Saida Atzali expressed confidence that CPL followed protocols on Love Is Blind, despite Panorama allegations about Married at First Sight UK.

In this episode

  • Introduction and plus ones0:00 · Host Matt Deegan introduces guests Alex Hudson and Simon Willgoss, who share their plus one picks.
  • Google AI Overviews opt-out discussion5:00 · Panel discusses the CMA's opt-out and its implications for publishers.
  • Reality TV duty of care15:00 · Discussion on Panorama investigation and Netflix's response.
  • BBC comedy boss exit20:00 · Jon Petrie's move to Hat Trick and its implications for the BBC.
  • World War II with Tom Hanks30:00 · Simon Willgoss discusses the new documentary series.
  • Audio Network Media Quiz40:00 · Quiz segment with three media stories.
  • Wrap-up and plugs50:00 · Guests share how to follow their work.

Notable quotes

“The horse has bolted. The ship has sailed. The Grok has X'd.”

Alex Hudson · 7:23

“If you just rely on giving the news you're going to fail.”

Alex Hudson · 12:29

“If you want to have a full ethical storytelling framework, if you want to have mental health and talent well-being in front of mind, it would be difficult to argue a case to maintain producing reality TV.”

Alex Hudson · 0:00

“The residuals thing is the unsolved problem, and that is the real meat of it that no one is getting to grips with.”

Alex Hudson · 0:00

“Nothing is ever real. All of the music industry, all of the viral content you think you're consuming, none of that is real. All of it is fake.”

Alex Hudson · 0:00

Discussed

Google · BBC · Nutopia

Also mentioned: Jem Collins · Anthony Gordon · Tom Hanks · Jon Petrie · Lisa Nandy · Chris Hemsworth · Will Smith · Stacey Dooley · David Duchovny · Ben Zand · Sophia Smith Galer · Max Fosh · Gareth Southgate · Ralph Fiennes · Saida Atzali · Elon Musk · Netflix · Hat Trick Productions · Channel 4 · CPL Productions · OpenAI · Anthropic · SpaceX · YouTube

Mentioned or recommended

  • World War II with Tom Hanks · tv show · Nutopia
  • The World at War · tv show · Thames Television
  • Married at First Sight UK · tv show · CPL Productions
  • Love Is Blind · tv show · Kinetic Content
  • Panorama · tv show · BBC
  • Dear England · tv show · James Graham
  • Clickbait Clinic · tv show · Nutopia
  • Limitless · tv show · Nutopia
  • Secrecy Classified · tv show · Nutopia
  • South by Southwest London · event
  • White House Correspondents' Dinner · event
  • Gavin and Stacey · tv show · James Corden and Ruth Jones
  • Ghosts · tv show · Mathew Baynton and others
  • Ludwig · tv show
  • Such Brave Girls · tv show
  • Dreaming Whilst Black · tv show
  • Have I Got News for You · tv show · Hat Trick Productions
  • Dairy Girls · tv show
  • Crashed · podcast · Alex Hudson