Matt Deegan

The Media Club · 13 June 2025 · 47 min

How Influencers Stole Broadcasters' Ad Money

With Michael Savage, Jake Warren

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In this episode of The Media Club, host Matt Deegan is joined by Michael Savage, media editor at The Guardian, and Jake Warren from podcast company Message Heard. The main discussion focuses on how influencers and user-generated content platforms have overtaken traditional media in ad revenue, with a WPP report highlighting the tipping point. They explore the implications for broadcasters like Channel 4 and the BBC, the dominance of YouTube, and the challenges and opportunities for podcast creators. The episode also covers Warner Bros Discovery's split details, Netflix's $1 billion investment in Spanish-language originals, and a partnership between The Standard and Message Heard to produce podcasts. The show includes a media quiz and news round-up.

Key takeaways

  • Influencers and user-generated content platforms are set to overtake traditional media in ad revenue, according to a WPP report.
  • Warner Bros Discovery announced details of its split, separating networks from streaming and studios.
  • Netflix announced a $1 billion investment in Spanish-language originals.
  • The Guardian launched a new encrypted messaging service for sources, developed with Cambridge University.
  • Message Heard partnered with The Standard to produce podcasts, with early success on Wondery's Killer Privilege.

In this episode

  • Hellos and Introductions0:00 · Matt welcomes guests Michael Savage and Jake Warren, and they discuss plus ones and nominations.
  • Main Discussion: Influencers and Ad Revenue2:03 · Michael Savage discusses the WPP report on influencers overtaking traditional media in ad revenue.
  • Warner Bros Discovery Split12:00 · Discussion on WBD's split details and implications.
  • Netflix Spanish Investment18:00 · Discussion on Netflix's $1 billion investment in Spanish-language content.
  • News Round-up22:00 · Matt covers Disney hiring Angela Jain, Kamal Ahmed leaving The Telegraph, and The Guardian's encrypted messaging service.
  • Interview with Jake Warren on Message Heard and The Standard Partnership25:00 · Jake discusses the partnership with The Standard and the craft of podcasting.
  • Audio Network Media Quiz35:00 · Matt hosts a quiz on media stories of the week.
  • Outro and Sign-off40:00 · Thanks and where to find guests.

Notable quotes

“I think the world has moved from commissioning to acquisition.”

Jake Warren · 0:00

“It's just another way of saying we're in a period where consumption is changing very fast.”

Michael Savage · 0:00

“If you just outsource it to AI, it's going to be slop and it's going to be rubbish.”

Jake Warren · 0:00

“I think it's a smart play, right? I mean, how many Spanish speakers are there in the world?”

Jake Warren · 0:00

“It's on us, Matt. Don't worry.”

Michael Savage · 0:00

Discussed

The Guardian · Message Heard · Warner Bros Discovery · Netflix · YouTube

Also mentioned: Ollie Madden · Davey Gardner · Mr. Beast · Gary Lineker · Mark Thompson · David Zaslav · Angela Jain · Kamal Ahmed · Will Lewis · Jamie Laing · Sophie Habboo · Virat Kohli · Anjem Choudary · Professor Brian Cox · Michael Lockman · Channel 4 · BBC · ITV · Disney · The Standard · Al Jazeera · WPP · Google · Meta

Mentioned or recommended

  • Killer Privilege · podcast · Message Heard
  • True Crime Reports · podcast · Message Heard
  • Today in Focus · podcast · The Guardian
  • The Jinx · tv show · HBO
  • Nearly Parents · podcast · Jamie Laing and Sophie Habboo
  • Squid Game · tv show · Netflix
  • Parasite · film · Bong Joon-ho
  • Money Heist · tv show · Álex Pina
  • Love Island · tv show · ITV
  • I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here! · tv show · ITV
  • In Betweeners · tv show · E4
  • Dead Set · tv show · E4
  • Black Mirror · tv show · Charlie Brooker
  • The Daily T · podcast · The Telegraph
  • Oasis Reunion Tour · event · Oasis
  • Wonders of the Universe · tv show · BBC