Matt Deegan

The Media Club · 6 June 2025 · 50 min

Newsroom Ethics and Tim Davie’s Wish List

With Mic Wright, Will Wood

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In this episode of The Media Club, hosts Matt Deegan and guests Mic Wright and Will Wood discuss the BBC's charter renewal strategy, with Director-General Tim Davie framing the BBC as 'venture capital for the UK'. They debate the ethics of journalism, prompted by Mic Wright's new book 'Breaking: How the Media Works, When it Doesn't and Why it Matters', which explores newsroom morality and the need for a 'Hippocratic Oath' for journalists. The conversation also covers the UK government's AI copyright bill facing setbacks in the Lords, job cuts at Disney and Business Insider, and the rebranding of The New European to The New World. The episode includes the Audio Network Media Quiz, where guests identify news stories from humorous 'life hacks'.

Key takeaways

  • Tim Davie framed the BBC as 'venture capital for the UK' at a Deloitte Enders event, sparking debate on the show.
  • Mic Wright's new book 'Breaking' argues for a 'Hippocratic Oath' for journalists and critiques newsroom ethics.
  • The UK government's AI copyright bill faced another setback in the Lords, with peers rejecting the opt-out approach.
  • Disney and Business Insider announced significant job cuts, with Business Insider potentially halving in size.
  • The New European rebranded to The New World, and Adolescence became Netflix's second most-watched English-language series.

In this episode

  • Intro and nominations0:00 · Hosts introduce guests and they nominate media figures.
  • BBC charter renewal discussion2:00 · Discussion on Tim Davie's wishlist and the BBC's framing as venture capital.
  • AI copyright bill debate10:00 · Guests discuss the Lords' rejection of the AI copyright bill and its implications.
  • Job cuts at Disney and Business Insider18:00 · Analysis of recent job cuts and the changing media landscape.
  • Media news round-up25:00 · Quick recap of other media stories including The New European rebrand and Adolescence.
  • Interview with Mic Wright30:00 · In-depth discussion on journalism ethics and his new book.
  • Audio Network Media Quiz45:00 · Guests play a quiz identifying news stories from life hacks.
  • Outro and plugs55:00 · Guests plug their work and the show wraps up.

Notable quotes

“AI is a generative AI is a thief and it just vomits out facsimiles of things it already knows.”

Mic Wright · 0:00

“We should look at AI as being like ultra-processed food. Like AI output is not good for us and it will not be good for creativity in all aspects and we should fight against it and we shouldn't say it's inevitable.”

Mic Wright · 0:00

“I think the government's obsession with growth and their feeling that, well, we must support AI, whatever, is a mistake because I think that people have to be rewarded for creating things and making things.”

Mic Wright · 0:00

“I think there's a case, and it's a problem in any industry, really, of within an organization saying, well, we've always done it this way.”

Mic Wright · 0:00

“I think that the change in their model is a bit of a distraction when you come through and look at the job titles and amount of time people have spent at the company. To me, it looks like they're going, these people have higher salaries. We're going to cut them out and we're going to force more work onto junior employees.”

Mic Wright · 0:00

“I think it's always interesting when you see it's all like people with long time served and job titles. And it's just, let's call them and force junior staff to work a lot harder.”

Mic Wright · 0:00

Discussed

BBC · Business Insider

Also mentioned: Tim Davie · Lisa Nandy · Wayne Garvie · Matt Kelly · Gerry Adams · Clint Eastwood · Nick Davies · Kay Burley · Zelda Perkins · Rupert Magendi · Ben Lowry · John Petrie · Jim Waterson · Sonia Soda · Marie LeConte · Vincent Brown · Disney · Channel 4 · The New European · Netflix · Sony · The Guardian · Daily Mail · Multitude Media

Mentioned or recommended

  • Breaking: How the Media Works, When it Doesn't and Why it Matters · book · Mic Wright
  • Flat Earth News · book · Nick Davies
  • Adolescence · tv show
  • Baby Reindeer · tv show
  • Fool Me Once · tv show
  • Gladiators · tv show
  • Last One Laughing · tv show
  • Grenfell documentary · tv show · Rogan
  • The Ballad of Wallace Island · other · Rupert Magendi
  • Brian and Charles · film
  • Nicola Bulley documentary · tv show · Rogan
  • Lucy Letby podcast · other · Daily Mail