Matt Deegan

The Media Club · 11 April 2025 · 43 min

Sham Experts, Luxury Podcasts & Radio 2 vs Ofcom

With Maggie Brown, Alex Zane, Phil Riley, Dino Sofos

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In this episode of The Media Club, host Matt Deegan is joined by media writer Maggie Brown and broadcaster Alex Zane to discuss the week's media stories. The main topics include the Press Gazette's investigation into fictional experts created using AI, Ofcom's decision to block BBC Radio 2's spin-off station, the launch of Alex Zane's new podcast 'The Savoy Originals', and the appointment of Greg James as creative director of the Crossed Wires podcast festival. The episode also features a quiz segment and a discussion on the state of the BBC and the impact of AI on journalism.

Key takeaways

  • Press Gazette exposed a PR company offering AI-generated fake commentators to media outlets.
  • Ofcom blocked BBC Radio 2's spin-off station, citing potential harm to commercial rivals like Boom Radio.
  • Alex Zane launched a new podcast 'The Savoy Originals' featuring interviews with high-profile guests.
  • Greg James was announced as creative director of the Crossed Wires podcast festival.
  • Avalon acquired a minority stake in All Made Up, producer of 'Adolescence'.

In this episode

  • Welcome and introductions0:00 · Host Matt Deegan welcomes guests Maggie Brown and Alex Zane, and they discuss who they'd add to the club.
  • Story 1: Fake experts0:00 · Discussion on Press Gazette's investigation into AI-generated fake commentators.
  • Story 2: Radio 2 spin-off blocked0:00 · Interview with Phil Riley from Boom Radio about Ofcom's decision.
  • Podcast news round-up0:00 · News about new ventures, including Crossed Wires and Alex Zane's new podcast.
  • Quiz: Back to Life, Back to Reality0:00 · Quiz segment with questions about media news.

Notable quotes

“I think all of the rational evidence, if you look at all the rational evidence and the rules that they have to work by, it was. Sensible decision that they took based on what was in front of them and the structure of how they've got to make these decisions.”

Phil Riley · 0:00

“I do actually believe in a universal service. I do think probably a form of license fee is necessary. I don't think it should be passed over simply as a state thing that will somehow get grants. It needed to have a degree of independence, all those things. And that we would be feeling if we lost the BBC that something really important had gone out of being, if you like, British.”

Maggie Brown · 0:00

“I think the thing about Crosswires specifically, there's nothing, there's obviously lots of festivals and events that you and I go to, Matt, in kind of windowless rooms with warm glasses of white wine where we talk about CPM rates. But we didn't think there was much around which had the energy of kind of like Edinburgh or Glastonbury or Hay for festivals where it's fans, it's actual listeners getting together.”

Dino Sofos · 0:00

“I think most people are discerning enough to know what is real and who they trust.”

Alex Zane · 0:00

Discussed

BBC · Ofcom · Boom Radio · Press Gazette · Crossed Wires Festival

Also mentioned: Greg James · Neil Druckmann · Craig Mazin · Jonathan Miller · Edward Luce · Rob Moore · Dominic Ponsford · Rob Brydon · Gordon Ramsay · Layton Williams · Alice Levine · Steve Coogan · Marco Pierre White · Rupert Murdoch · Donald Trump · Persephonica · Avalon · All Made Up · PodX · Listen · Platform Media · Goldhawk · Folding Pocket · ITV

Mentioned or recommended

  • The Last of Us · tv show · Craig Mazin and Neil Druckmann
  • Fallout · tv show
  • The Witcher · tv show
  • God of War · tv show
  • Mass Effect · tv show
  • Gears of War · tv show
  • Borderlands · film
  • The Minecraft Movie · film
  • The Shock of the News · book · Jonathan Miller
  • The Savoy Originals · podcast · Alex Zane
  • Crossed Wires Festival 2025 · event
  • Help I Sexted My Boss · podcast
  • No Such Thing as a Fish · podcast
  • Now That's What I Call Podcasting · podcast · Greg James and Alice Levine
  • The Trip · tv show
  • Titanique · other
  • Threads · tv show · Warp Films
  • When the Wind Blows · book · Raymond Briggs
  • Frequency Funhouse · podcast
  • Adolescence · tv show · All Made Up