
The Media Club · 26 May 2023 · 36 min
The End of Phil & Holly, Cadwalladr's Hefty Bill & Podcast Show
- Philip Schofield's Departure from This Morning
- BBC Speech Review and BBC Studios
- Carole Cadwalladr's Legal Bill
- Podcast Industry Trends
- Twitter Spaces Failure with Ron DeSantis
- Netflix Password Sharing Crackdown
- Neuroscience of Podcasts
- Media Quiz
Recorded at The Podcast Show in Islington, host Matt Deegan is joined by audio consultant Brett Spencer and Audio UK MD Chloe Straw to review the week's media news. They discuss Phillip Schofield's departure from This Morning, the BBC's decision to move shows like Desert Island Discs to BBC Studios, and Carole Cadwalladr's £1.2m legal bill in her battle with a Brexit funder. The episode also features vox pops from the conference floor, including insights on podcast neuroscience and industry trends, and a media quiz.
Key takeaways
- Phillip Schofield left This Morning, with ITV making the decision, amid tabloid speculation and strained relations with co-host Holly Willoughby.
- The BBC announced that shows including Desert Island Discs will move from in-house production to BBC Studios as part of a speech review.
- Carole Cadwalladr faces a £1.2m legal bill after a judge ruled she must pay Arron Banks' legal costs; she has raised nearly £1m through crowdfunding.
- At The Podcast Show, industry figures highlighted a shift towards conversational shows and the importance of social video and always-on content.
- Twitter Spaces failed to handle Ron DeSantis's presidential announcement, highlighting ongoing technical issues after layoffs.
In this episode
- Intro and News Round-up
- Interview with Brett Spencer and Chloe Straw
- Vox Pops from The Podcast Show
- Media Quiz
Notable quotes
“It's not a very hard show to make Desert Island Discs, is it? Let's be honest. I mean, you've got to book a great guest, and to be honest, I'm not sure many people will say no. You've got to find the eight records, and then you've got to throw it into the mix the best broadcaster and interview I've ever worked with. So, you know, the three of us could probably make it, couldn't we?”
“I'm enjoying all the agents trying to get their clients into the newspapers as they're the hot tip to take over, you know, secret talks going on.”
“It's all a little bit succession, isn't it? For anyone that's watching that series.”
“I think it's a tale of two festivals if we're going to call it a festival. It's much bigger than it was last year. You've got Sky News broadcasting live which is just so bizarre to turn on Sky News and they're broadcasting for a podcast show and I think for a statement about the industry and how it's grown and how many people are here and brands And media organizations and amazing content, right, that people are shouting about. Incredible. But there are also a lot of people walking around here tearing their hair out about the lack of money in the industry, because I think this time last year it was a completely different market.”
“You cannot just record six episodes of a show, put it out there, and hope for the best. It's just a completely broken model.”
Discussed
Phillip Schofield · Carole Cadwalladr · ITV · BBC · BBC Studios · Audio UK · Twitter
Mentioned or recommended
- This Morning
- Desert Island Discs
- The Podcast Show
- Dish
- The News Agents
- Uncanny
- Battersea Poltergeist
- Game of Thrones
- FT Edit
- Succession
- Paul Foot Award






