Matt Deegan

The Media Club · 26 May 2023 · 36 min

The End of Phil & Holly, Cadwalladr's Hefty Bill & Podcast Show

With Brett Spencer, Chloe Straw, Catherine Templar-Lewis, Dino Sofos, Ellie Clifford

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Recorded at The Podcast Show in Islington, host Matt Deegan is joined by audio consultant Brett Spencer and Audio UK MD Chloe Straw to review the week's media news. They discuss Phillip Schofield's departure from This Morning, the BBC's decision to move shows like Desert Island Discs to BBC Studios, and Carole Cadwalladr's £1.2m legal bill in her battle with a Brexit funder. The episode also features vox pops from the conference floor, including insights on podcast neuroscience and industry trends, and a media quiz.

Key takeaways

  • Phillip Schofield left This Morning, with ITV making the decision, amid tabloid speculation and strained relations with co-host Holly Willoughby.
  • The BBC announced that shows including Desert Island Discs will move from in-house production to BBC Studios as part of a speech review.
  • Carole Cadwalladr faces a £1.2m legal bill after a judge ruled she must pay Arron Banks' legal costs; she has raised nearly £1m through crowdfunding.
  • At The Podcast Show, industry figures highlighted a shift towards conversational shows and the importance of social video and always-on content.
  • Twitter Spaces failed to handle Ron DeSantis's presidential announcement, highlighting ongoing technical issues after layoffs.

In this episode

  • Intro and News Round-up0:00 · Matt introduces the episode and covers top media news stories.
  • Interview with Brett Spencer and Chloe Straw5:00 · Discussion on Philip Schofield, BBC speech review, and Carole Cadwalladr.
  • Vox Pops from The Podcast Show20:00 · Producer Matt Hill interviews attendees about industry trends.
  • Media Quiz30:00 · Matt quizzes Brett and Chloe on media headlines.

Notable quotes

“It's not a very hard show to make Desert Island Discs, is it? Let's be honest. I mean, you've got to book a great guest, and to be honest, I'm not sure many people will say no. You've got to find the eight records, and then you've got to throw it into the mix the best broadcaster and interview I've ever worked with. So, you know, the three of us could probably make it, couldn't we?”

Brett Spencer · 0:00

“I'm enjoying all the agents trying to get their clients into the newspapers as they're the hot tip to take over, you know, secret talks going on.”

Brett Spencer · 0:00

“It's all a little bit succession, isn't it? For anyone that's watching that series.”

Brett Spencer · 0:00

“I think it's a tale of two festivals if we're going to call it a festival. It's much bigger than it was last year. You've got Sky News broadcasting live which is just so bizarre to turn on Sky News and they're broadcasting for a podcast show and I think for a statement about the industry and how it's grown and how many people are here and brands And media organizations and amazing content, right, that people are shouting about. Incredible. But there are also a lot of people walking around here tearing their hair out about the lack of money in the industry, because I think this time last year it was a completely different market.”

Dino Sofos · 0:00

“You cannot just record six episodes of a show, put it out there, and hope for the best. It's just a completely broken model.”

Dino Sofos · 0:00

Discussed

Phillip Schofield · Carole Cadwalladr · ITV · BBC · BBC Studios · Audio UK · Twitter

Also mentioned: Holly Willoughby · Arron Banks · Ron DeSantis · Elon Musk · Piers Morgan · Sly Bailey · Tucker Carlson · Nick Grimshaw · Chris Evans · Danny Robbins · Emily Maitlis · Gitto Harry · Kerry Thomas · Jack from Goalhanger · Daniel Richardson · Roy Plomley · Ben Shapiro · John Ronson · Tim Burger · Gary Lillika · City University · Netflix · The Guardian · Fresh Air

Mentioned or recommended

  • This Morning · tv show · ITV
  • Desert Island Discs · tv show · BBC
  • The Podcast Show · event
  • Dish · podcast · Waitrose
  • The News Agents · podcast · Persephonica
  • Uncanny · podcast · Danny Robbins
  • Battersea Poltergeist · podcast · Danny Robbins
  • Game of Thrones · tv show · HBO
  • FT Edit · product · Financial Times
  • Succession · tv show · HBO
  • Paul Foot Award · event · Private Eye