Matt Deegan

The Media Club · 4 April 2025 · 46 min

How To Grow And Sell Your Media Business

With Mark Browning, Manori Ravindran

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In this episode of The Media Club, host Matt Deegan is joined by Mark Browning, CEO of Zinc Media Group, and media writer Manori Ravindran. They discuss the BBC's annual report, which shows a £150 million drop in content spend, and debate whether the BBC is effectively competing with streamers like Netflix, especially in light of the success of 'Adolescence'. The conversation also covers the controversy over Michael Sheen's Channel 4 show 'Secret Million Pound Giveaway' being similar to a 2021 project, Disney's four audience types, and the state of the TV production sector. Mark Browning provides advice on making a media business investment-ready, and the episode includes a quiz segment on media news.

Key takeaways

  • The BBC's annual report shows a £150 million drop in content spend, but Mark Browning argues this should be seen in context of a £2.5 billion budget.
  • Manori Ravindran highlights a report showing 75% of post-production professionals are men, indicating little progress in diversity.
  • Mark Browning advises media businesses to focus on IP creation and be realistic about valuation to attract investment.
  • The episode discusses the controversy over Michael Sheen's Channel 4 show being similar to a 2021 project.
  • Disney identified four audience types: social shapers, reflective explorers, empathetic escapists, and comfort connectors.

In this episode

  • Introduction and guest picks0:00 · Host Matt Deegan introduces guests Mark Browning and Manori Ravindran, who each pick someone to join the Media Club.
  • BBC annual report discussion5:00 · Guests discuss the BBC's annual report, content spend drop, and competition with streamers.
  • Michael Sheen controversy15:00 · Discussion about the similarity between Michael Sheen's Channel 4 show and a 2021 project.
  • Disney audience types20:00 · Guests react to Disney's four audience types and the social aspect of streaming.
  • Media news round-up25:00 · Quickfire round-up of media stories including The Sun, The Times, Radio 4, and Bauer.
  • Interview with Mark Browning on investment30:00 · Mark Browning discusses how to make a media business investment-ready.
  • Media quiz40:00 · Quiz segment on media transfers, with questions about Rachel Sylvester, Something Else, and Jim Mullen.

Notable quotes

“I think he described it as a documentary, which made me go, oh no, this is going to go totally wrong. If he thinks it's a documentary, it's a drama.”

Mark Browning · 0:00

“It's the soft power effect, isn't it? It's a bit like sport, actually. Everybody has a view.”

Mark Browning · 0:00

“We've talked ourselves down for the last few years as a sector when actually there's been some... I mean, look at the TV shows we're making.”

Mark Browning · 0:00

Discussed

BBC · Netflix · Zinc Media Group

Also mentioned: Michael Sheen · Anne Mensah · Emma Butt · Rachel Sylvester · Jim Mullen · Tara Conlan · Scott Bryan · Carolyn McCall · Jeff Zucker · Amanda Holden · Channel 4 · ITV · Disney+ · The Observer · Tortoise Media · Reach plc · The Times · The Sun · Bauer Media · Clear Channel · Global · Sony · Something Else

Mentioned or recommended

  • Adolescence · tv show · Netflix
  • Gavin and Stacey · tv show · BBC
  • Wallace and Gromit · tv show · Aardman Animations
  • Secret Million Pound Giveaway · tv show · Michael Sheen
  • Bank Job · tv show
  • Race Across the World · tv show · BBC
  • Mr Bates vs The Post Office · tv show · ITV
  • The Night Manager · tv show · BBC
  • Sherwood · tv show · BBC
  • Happy Valley · tv show · BBC
  • Gardeners' World · tv show · BBC
  • Ted Lasso · tv show · Apple TV+
  • Yellowstone · tv show · Paramount
  • Love Island · tv show · ITV
  • Clarkson's Farm · tv show · Amazon Prime Video
  • Paradise · tv show · Disney+
  • Traitors · tv show · BBC
  • Saturday Night Quiz · tv show · Zinc Media Group
  • Dish · podcast · Something Else